There is a new movie out this week about Napoleon Bonaparte. Perhaps you’ve heard of it. Historians are not happy with it, but that should come as no surprise.
Director Ridley Scott’s NAPOLEON, starring Joaquin Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby depicts the French ruler’s rise to power, offers moments from his many military campaigns, and his relationship with Empress Josephine.
After suggesting otherwise, I learned earlier this week on social media that lawyers and doctors also get bent out of shape over the inaccuracies depicted about their line of work in television shows and movies. I should have known better given that we all tend to get a little defensive when our preferred profession is mischaracterized, but perhaps there is something unique about how historians respond in these moments.
We are not talking about a profession as much as a methodology or approach to studying the past. Many historians believe that there is a good deal at stake in how we represent the past in popular culture.
I’ve never really understood the concern. Hollywood movies and other productions are not works of critical history and I suspect that relatively few movies have ever satisfied a cross section of the historical profession and students of history generally.
I still remember the response to Steven Spielberg’s movie LINCOLN in 2012. It included fictional characters; botched the process of how constitutional amendments are passed; and it failed to acknowledge the role that African Americans played in forcing emancipation and the end of slavery. Finally, it created an entirely fictional scene in the first few moments in which three Black soldiers lecture Lincoln on the war, including one who recites for him his own “Gettysburg Address.”
I absolutely love that movie.
One scene in NAPOLEON shows his troops lobbing artillery shells at the pyramids outside of Cairo. Apparently, Scott believed it was the quickest way to depict Napoleon’s military campaign in Egypt. I’ve read from military historians that I respect that many of the battle scenes are inaccurate. I have no reason to question their assessments and, for the most part, I just don’t care.
Do I find it problematic that the movie includes this particular scene? No more than I am concerned about the inaccuracies in LINCOLN.
On the one hand, I have no problem with historians speaking out in response to a movie’s inaccuracies. Last week I hosted a discussion about the movie GETTYSBURG in which I offered a critical take. In some cases, it is absolutely essential that we do so, but all too often I get the sense that the outrage comes from an unstated assumption that historians have a monopoly on how the past is represented.
I completely agree with David M. Perry and Matthew Gabriele, who suggest that rather than focus on “what’s right or wrong with a given depiction” historians should “discuss how we can really know anything about the past more generally, and this past in a specific film more specifically, and then talk about why that past matters.”
This is a great way of illuminating the difference between history and Hollywood.
Ridley Scott has certainly not endeared himself to the historical community. When asked about the concerns expressed by some historians, he had this to say.
Probably not the best response and from one perspective it suggests that Scott may not even fully understand what it is that historians do.
But I also heard him offering a glimpse into his process as a movie director. Scott didn’t set out to create an academic work of history. He is attempting to transport his audience back in time for a brief moment.
It is worth reminding ourselves that movies set in the past are works of fiction framed around historical references. There is always the opportunity to learn more and many people do.
A recent survey conducted by the American Historical Association asks people where they get their history. The results are quite interesting.
It’s about what I would expect. People get their history from a wide range of sources, including nonfiction history books, geneaology work, historic site visits, and documentaries. Would I like to see higher numbers for some of these categories? Sure, but I suspect that not much has changed over the years.
Twenty-five years ago historians Roy Rosenzweig and David Thelen showed that Americans are deeply engaged in the past in creative and meaningful ways that often escape surveys like the one above.
As historians, we sometimes forget that our representations of the past exist alongside fiction writers, poets, family histories passed down orally from one generation to the next, etc. We can and do find meaning in the past in a wide variety of ways.
Apart from extreme examples, I also don’t believe that as historians we need to save audiences from movies that depict the past inaccurately any more than a work of historical fiction. Art, including movies, is a reflection of where we are as a society and not necessarily where we are headed.
In the end, the only question that matters is…
“Are you not entertained?”
A couple of thoughts spring to mind here. (I'm doing a mini-vacation in the mountains getting ready to do a hike so can't synthesize at the moment.)
>I used to get really worked up over historical inaccuracies, and still do, but don't let it bother me as much as it used to just because I understand storytelling better now. Reminds me, though, of the time I was eating in a McDonald's in Woodbridge, Virginia, ca. 1988 with the TimeLife Gettysburg book and being thrilled at the Pickett's Charge description and thinking that fiction got nothing on history. Still think that way, but maybe that's why I prefer George Eliot's version of how history works to Ridley Scott's version.
>Rosensweig & Thelen, as you point out, were spot on in their description of where lay people get their history: everything from family stories and themed placemats in restaurants to television and the casual storytelling tropes that aren't meant to be historical analysis but to call to mind a sensibility or mood. Now, today, lets add TikTok, memes, and all of social media to the mix. (That book is badly in need of an update.)
>I think everyone here probably reads history--even academic histories--*for fun* and so it's really difficult to imagine that *normal* history consumers *don't do that* and just pick things up from the places that AHA chart indicates. (Sprinkle in some Sam Wineburg here.) That's an US problem, and not a THEM problem, anymore than a brain surgeon has a right to expect the general public to understand even the basics of the neurology or surgery disciplines. (I'm sure Mrs. Dr. Levin must have some thoughts on that!)
>But we know that blunt-force rejections of inaccurate history can not only be not helpful, but counterproductive. Thinking about Julia Rose's ideas about how people become resistant or open to difficult histories: it's an emotional process that requires smart facilitation and recognition that you're not just dealing with facts, but with identities. For this reason it'd be counterproductive to, say, be at a Thanksgiving dinner and brusquely calling someone a racist who uttered the phrase "state's rights" ;)
>And all that leads to the thing that I'm unsure about... How to offer something that is more compelling and meaningful--as a shorthand for big visually emotional and trope-y hinting at a truth--than Napoleon blasting away at the pyramids? It'd be a multi-front effort, recognizing that different people take historical challenges in different ways (or even want to engage with history for non-historical-interest reasons): some respond to, say, the TikTok outrages that Marvin Alonzo Greer exposes so well. Others may take more kindly to a Jamelle Bouie NYT column. Some may be impacted by a good museum exhibit that exists only because of curiosity generated by the movie and wouldn't have existed without said movie. Some are only along for the ride and may find something compelling only because their adolescent daughter laughed at a meme. It's all methodologies and none of them are as simple or easy as, "you are wrong, this is right."
>I understand that this movie isn't an attempt to tell the imperial history of Napoleon, but rather, brings all that in around the central idea of a relationship between a deeply weird and insecure man and his confident and aggressive love interest, Josephine. I get that, and heard Kate Lister talking about it all and that make a lot of sense and may even be more historically accurate than any particular scene set in Egypt.
>This is an old debate. Would we be as worked up about it if we didn't have social media and a notorious and well-known asshole, Ridley Scott, hadn't had said that ONE THING that reflects a stupid counter-argument that we've already been exposed to from right-wing history critics?
>Gonna take off my Jamelle Bouie Historian-Hat for this, put on my Jamelle Bouie Movie Lover-Hat for this one, and enjoy it for what it is, not what I'd want it to be.
Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter is my favorite of all Lincoln movies. Great entertainment. And in portraying slaveholders as vampires, it comes closer to reality than most movies depicting slavery.